tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post2559494742023391631..comments2024-03-27T12:48:44.706+02:00Comments on A Letter from Kabwata: Nelson “Madiba” MandelaConrad Mbewehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00560142646595019527noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-41873825411527785072015-05-17T23:12:33.061+02:002015-05-17T23:12:33.061+02:00Please, no, Hammond is 1. a Kinist Reconstructioni...Please, no, Hammond is 1. a Kinist Reconstructionist who 2. thinks Calvin and Luther taught the same about a whole bunch of things they were not even close to agreeing about and also 3. that both of them really wanted to leave infant baptism behind. This nonsense throws much of Hammond's credibility under the bus I am afraid.<br /><br />Kinist ideas may not be quite as openly evil as racism but it is still a disgusting offense to the gospel. A search of Hammond's website shows he is an admirer of Rushdoony who was no friend of "inferior" stock when it came to human beings.<br /><br />Gary North, Rushdoony's son in law, is a fairly big voice in Reconstructionism today and would deny citizenship to those who do not baptize babies.<br /><br />(Just FYI I am a white females paedobaptist who subscribes to the two kingdom idea.)terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-82505304517526675882015-05-17T23:05:16.054+02:002015-05-17T23:05:16.054+02:00He can certainly not be even a great man if he was...He can certainly not be even a great man if he was for abortion.terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-36876092404055615322014-01-11T12:06:51.705+02:002014-01-11T12:06:51.705+02:00You who stand in unrighteous judgement over the de...You who stand in unrighteous judgement over the dead man did you during his time on earth plead with the Father for this man's soul? You who claim access to the throne of grace, did you many a time, with bended knee, ask for grace, marvellous grace to be bestowed upon Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela? Did you?<br />May the Yeshua teach you what it meaneth that cross uplifted high with one the Man of sorrows condemned to bleed and die! O to know the value of a soul!Sobonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783925419795924565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-10229596949868376772014-01-11T11:38:59.122+02:002014-01-11T11:38:59.122+02:00I remember standing to pray in Ferndale Baptist Ch...I remember standing to pray in Ferndale Baptist Church, a white managed church, for Mandela's soul. Asking the Father to open Mandela's eyes to his true spiritual condition and the wonderful Saviour Yeshua HaMashiach.<br />I sensed some grudging amens to the prayer. Yeshua died for all men. Black and white yellow and red. The man has finally left this guilty sod. Did God save the man by the skin of his teeth in the dying moments? Only God knows. Only God knows.Sobonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783925419795924565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-16537506412860230702014-01-05T15:56:47.855+02:002014-01-05T15:56:47.855+02:00Mr Kampeshi, you have hit the nail on the head. I ...Mr Kampeshi, you have hit the nail on the head. I can not agree with you more. Pastor Mbewe's article is in my view very well balanced and I too am surprised at this "storm in a cup"<br />Even the most wicked of men can do "some good" but all our righteous acts are filthy rags.Nason Lambwehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15578644279098196011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-657814234287360192014-01-03T03:56:32.132+02:002014-01-03T03:56:32.132+02:00Abortion is just another form of apartheid instead...Abortion is just another form of apartheid instead of it been based on "race" its based on age. But abortion is the worst form of apartheid.<br /><br />Bro. Kabwata, is very wrong on what he wrote in the above article on Mandela, and to say "Personally, I think that anyone who writes about Mandela and leaves us with a negative impression of his political ideals tells us more about himself than he tells us about Mandela", is to put it nicely a blow below the belt. <br /><br />Dr. Peter Hammond, of South Africa, and some of the commenters here are very correct about the evilness, and wickedness of Mandela.<br /><br />Mandela, was a marxist, communist, socialist person. And these philosophies don't bring freedom they always bring slavery, destroy economies, etc. So Mandela, was fighting to put his people under another system that was more evil, wicked, and destructive even though he thought differently, that he was fighting for, bringing freedom to South Africa. South Africa is in worst shape now than before, during the evil, wicked, destructive "racial" apartheid system.<br /><br />I'm black, and I'm from St. Kitts in the West Indies.Gregory Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16236221099414568837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-47465782479626154662014-01-03T03:17:26.148+02:002014-01-03T03:17:26.148+02:00No Non-Christian can do any good (or is good) by t...No Non-Christian can do any good (or is good) by the bible's standard, see Romans 3:9-20.Gregory Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16236221099414568837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-84597777687790877602013-12-27T12:47:16.262+02:002013-12-27T12:47:16.262+02:00I am also surprised that the post has generated su...I am also surprised that the post has generated such a storm. Indeed that's why judgement is better left to our righteous master whose eye sees everything and He is all righteousness and truth. Can I throw a challenge, give a name of any hero or nation that you consider great and I will point a thousand evils, it be a communist or non communist nation, and I will prove to you the miseries it has caused to millions. At the end of the day all have fallen short and hence why all need the vicarious work of Christ to get the acquittal before the throne of God. Let us know the difference when I show appreciation when a neighbour gives me a lift, I don't assume that for his kindness he will go to heaven. So I see nothing wrong in acknowledging postives and negatives in someone's life. It is neither Pastor Mbewe 's duty or any of our vocal brethren to condemn or justify anyone. The word of God has already given its position most clearly, all have failed and mouths should be silenced. So judging someone's character should be done with caution, and you can only highlight concerns one way or the other. I fear the pharaseical attitude is still keeping many from coming to hear the gospel. I also agree with the quote rather remain silent than judge matters when you don't have all the facts. Now who has all the full account of the negatives and the prostives about the man we are debating, leave it to Him to judge. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244377034069739875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-81330668133754470212013-12-25T14:56:49.409+02:002013-12-25T14:56:49.409+02:00I wish You and all Zambian Christians full in love...I wish You and all Zambian Christians full in love and God's blessings Christmas! Nadwrażliwiec https://www.blogger.com/profile/00793189053691447662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-78598588798425851912013-12-22T20:09:28.822+02:002013-12-22T20:09:28.822+02:00This article gives a very wise review of Nelson Ma...This article gives a very wise review of Nelson Mandela. Though he was humanly regarded as being a good man, his spiritual side was not that pronounced and his actions as many have cited titled more towards appeasing liberal behaviour. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03638876403565576504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-81517776874952670252013-12-20T20:56:58.214+02:002013-12-20T20:56:58.214+02:00Dear Mosala, as Christians we serve Christ alone. ...Dear Mosala, as Christians we serve Christ alone. There is one God who has made of one blood all nations of men. And there is one Word of God that is God’s holy law for yellow, black and white in Asia, in Africa, and in America – no exceptions.<br /><br />Why defend Mandela's Marxist belief in violence as a political solution? Moreover, to try and do so by repeating the untruths that Mandela expediently peddled (see my first comment about some of Mandela's persistent lies.) Thankfully Pastor Mbewe does not defend Mandela's abortion legacy. Please, Mosala, do not be blinded by your admiration for the myth of Mandela. “God is no acceptor of persons.” (Acts 10:34) God is not partial in his love, nor does He bend the rules for anyone. His law is holy and good and eternal and universal. <br /><br />Apartheid was no excuse for murder and violence. There had been many black Christian leaders who, like Mangosuthu Buthelezi, consistently condemned Apartheid wrongdoings and also opposed the violent revolutionary methods of the ANC and Mandela. Mandela never condemned the ANC killing of civilians while he was imprisoned, even when he had access to outside leaders (from beginning 1980's)<br /><br />And when Mandela became president, he rewarded those responsible for military attacks on civilian lives (like the Church Street bomb attack, planned by the Communist trained Joe Slovo, MK commander. Mandela appointed Joe Slovo as cabinet minister. Another MK leader, Joe Modise, was made Mandela’s defense minister. Robert McBride who placed bombs in a restaurant and bar in Durban, killing 3 women and injuring 70, became a high Foreign Affairs official under Mandela. <br /><br />Mandela remained a committed Marxist believer in revolution: Let us burn and kill, so that a better political future may come. This is an old lie of the devil: “Let us do evil, that good may come.” (Rom 3:8) So committed was Mandela to violence that he chose to remain in prison for 15 years rather than abjure violence! President Mandela could have been free as early as 1974. He was offered his freedom on several occasions. <br /><br />In 1974 (or 1976, Mandela's own date) South African cabinet minister Jimmy Kruger visited Mandela in prison and tried to persuade him to abandon the armed struggle. Mandela refused. Again, Mandela could obtain freedom if he recognized Transkei, a part of the government "independent homelands" policy, which is where Mandela grew up. He again refused. See Fran Lisa Buntman, Robben Island and Prisoner Resistance to Apartheid (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003), p.219, citing various original sources. Mandela himself gives a somewhat elusive version of this. (Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom, p.79) See also Bell, Terry, and Dumisa Buhle Ntsebeza. Unfinished Business: South Africa, Apartheid and Truth (London: Verso, 2003), p.138. <br /><br />There were a number of other offers of freedom afterward. Best known perhaps was South African prime minister P.W. Botha's offer in 1985 that Mandela can go free if he abandons violence as a political instrument. Mandela issued a public refusal, read by his daughter Zinzi. (Ten other prisoners serving life sentences walked free in Feb.1985 after taking up Botha’s offer, including Dennis Goldberg, one of Mandela’s co-accused in the Rivonia trial.) <br /><br />Christians should realize that Mandela’s public image is the result of careful stagecraft. For example, the media was tightly shut out from the various ancestor spirit rituals, the cattle sacrifices, the drinking of the cattle’s blood etc. to placate the ancestor spirits, that took place last week in Qunu as part of Mandela’s funeral. <br /><br /> Antoinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251624069899626053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-56767760342792578882013-12-20T16:48:15.440+02:002013-12-20T16:48:15.440+02:00Well observed!Well observed!Brother Anuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993002403414309549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-3803056611502545562013-12-20T16:46:53.308+02:002013-12-20T16:46:53.308+02:00Well observed Mosala.Well observed Mosala.Brother Anuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993002403414309549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-78235179786350812372013-12-19T19:45:35.258+02:002013-12-19T19:45:35.258+02:00It is good to always catch the central theme in an...It is good to always catch the central theme in any writing otherwise you miss the point. A lot of people are dying in their sins because they fail to see the necessity and role of Christ in Scriptures. I believe the central theme of this post if I am not mistaken was to show us that good works cannot get us to heaven like Mr Frank Fitsa thinks. Salvation is by faith. If you are a truly regenerate believer and sound in your understanding of salvation I don't see how you can conclude that salvation is by works. So please let us catch the central theme of the post. What profit is it if you can memorize the whole Bible and miss the fact that salvation is by faith in Christ? Let us work up! A lot of people are dying without Christ. It is our task to take this message to the whole world. Yes even to the so called famous people of this world.Kwenda Kwendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04918330342633716402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-90947597720097424692013-12-19T12:51:21.128+02:002013-12-19T12:51:21.128+02:00I am amazed at how much controversy Conrad's a...I am amazed at how much controversy Conrad's article has generated. I have read the article with the simplicity with which it was written and I am thing "What a storm in a tea cup!" Conrad brought out the negative as well as the positive about Mandela. He is also plain about "good" works and I quote:<br /><br /> "Madiba did a lot of good. But if I read my Bible correctly, no one enters heaven by his own good works. This is because our good works are tainted with sin. The best of men are men at best. God is absolutely holy and is of such pure eyes that to him our good works are like filthy rags."<br /><br /> Did Conrad say Mandela will enter heaven on account of his "good" works? The answer is no. Because Conrad clearly concludes the article by saying:<br /><br /> "those of us who are evangelical Christians should at best admit the fact that Mandela’s silence on his own profession of faith does not inspire us to say, “May his soul rest in peace.” <br /><br />Nothing can be clearer than that .We must admit that it is possible for an unregenerate to do good to one another by God's common grace. But this good cannot commend one before God. And Mandela falls in that group.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641515506132997686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-23819717021053458682013-12-19T10:24:44.575+02:002013-12-19T10:24:44.575+02:00So Antoine, what is that prophetic response that y...So Antoine, what is that prophetic response that you were hoping for and did not get? I think you forgot to say that it is Dr Peter Hammond that most Anglo Americans are raving about! (The same voices that were and continue to be conveniently silent about the evil atrocities of the Apartheid regime and are now suddenly 'prophetic', might I add!)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890285684802768118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-8335002879748570142013-12-19T10:10:45.512+02:002013-12-19T10:10:45.512+02:00I think your comment is patronizing, you are free ...I think your comment is patronizing, you are free to disagree with Conrad, well and good, but for you to simply suggest that he must get in touch with some other guy, who will presumably change his view to a more 'orthodox' view on Mandela is very revealing! <br /><br />(To return the favour I would say you need to be in touch with Thabiti (http://thefrontporch.org/2013/12/the-orientation-problem-of-the-black-church/)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890285684802768118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-25433424949982331682013-12-19T02:39:28.163+02:002013-12-19T02:39:28.163+02:00Mandella committed (at least sanctioned) atrocitie...Mandella committed (at least sanctioned) atrocities - normally war criminals are punished. He was punished (even if not to the same degree as his victims).<br /><br />He never admitted any evil so was verbally unrepentant.<br /><br />His repentance was only evident in his godless works after release from his prison. Those works were, in the main, notwithstanding the legalisation of infanticide and other evils, generally for the benefit of society.<br /><br />Since we have not the power to see in a man's heart we are unable to declaratively determine the state of his soul. However, the biblical maxims that you will know them by their love, and by their fruits, lead us to conclude he was not a born again believer.<br /><br />Yet we are commanded to honour and respect those in authority over us for they are there a terror to bad. God is their judge and we are to live as good examples for the sake of conscience before God's servants.<br /><br />His heart was simply like a stream that He channelled to bring about His good will.<br /><br />His judgement is before him now. It is mine to avenge, I will repay, says the Lord.<br /><br />Prov 21 and Romans 13Sola Scripturahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03179688411451082271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-45796945855946425362013-12-19T00:11:12.058+02:002013-12-19T00:11:12.058+02:001. Are you suggesting that Madiba was a regenerate...1. Are you suggesting that Madiba was a regenerated believer?<br />2. Can a person have the 'fruit' of the Holy Spirit without the presence of the Holy Spirit?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07578759738293906112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-14859711267512519962013-12-18T22:02:17.898+02:002013-12-18T22:02:17.898+02:00Clever? - yes.
Naive? - possibly.
Biased? - regre...Clever? - yes. <br />Naive? - possibly.<br />Biased? - regrettably.<br />1. Madiba was not a 'political' prisoner in the common sense that this term is applied. He was found guilty of criminal offences, in a civil court, charges to which he pleaded guilty and to which he has commented in his autobiography 'In my own case, the court had sufficient evidence for a conviction' - the charges were not challenged. These facts should not be treated as 'negative' but as an accurate reflection of the truth. I repeat, he was not a political prisoner as you have stated.<br /><br />2. 'Hence, he says, he was forced to go into guerrilla warfare and to seek to work together with the communist party in South Africa though he did not share in their philosophy'. He was not forced to do anything - he chose to go into guerrilla warfare (a term now commonly referred to as terrorism) and for someone who does 'not share in their philosophy' to then write a book entitled 'How to be a good Communist' seems a little odd to me.<br /><br />3. I am a native of Northern Ireland, a province that has, and continues to live under the shadow of Irish Republican terrorism and the liberating, marxist, methods and philosophy they espouse. A group with which Mr Mandela enjoyed both a well documented and very cosy relationship. So much so, that the veteran leader of that grouping was not only invited to the committal proceedings but asked to be a member of his Guard of Honour. Is this the type of thing we should expect from a supposed 'icon'?<br /><br />I'm sorry, but trying to justify the dark side of Mandela insults every victim of terrorism worldwide. I do not know the rational behind your article or why you felt you had to join the great and the good and make a statement. It was ill-advised. The terrorists in Belfast have a saying, "If you have to say something, say nothing" and I offer it in this context as sound advice.<br /><br />brianvmorton@yahoo.co.ukAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07578759738293906112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-77460639878188647272013-12-18T21:38:10.816+02:002013-12-18T21:38:10.816+02:00Yes you might be right, Bro. Conrad might need to ...Yes you might be right, Bro. Conrad might need to get in touch with Dr. Hammond.Frank Rollberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291217477805834075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-35966813011483793342013-12-18T15:18:20.944+02:002013-12-18T15:18:20.944+02:00I think you have a very shallow understanding of y...I think you have a very shallow understanding of your Bible Sir. It says that we will know them by their deeds and good works and not by the fact that they say they are save to anyone and everyone. Mandela did not have to talk he showed us the true meaning of the greatest fruit of the Holy Spirit which is LOVE. His deeds speak clear and louder than his tongue would. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740287424998883958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-8992520602605097842013-12-18T01:44:24.994+02:002013-12-18T01:44:24.994+02:00He led his nation out of the evils of apartheid, o...He led his nation out of the evils of apartheid, only to lead them to embrace the greater evil of abortion. I honor him as a truly great man, but not a good man.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11514949297680390425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-33732365029089182612013-12-17T23:05:14.259+02:002013-12-17T23:05:14.259+02:00perhaps Conrad could get in touch with Dr. Peter H...perhaps Conrad could get in touch with Dr. Peter Hammond of South AfricaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07927752700053651680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2301621142882601935.post-41021587279407922012013-12-17T23:03:33.616+02:002013-12-17T23:03:33.616+02:00It might be good for Conrad to get in touch with D...It might be good for Conrad to get in touch with Dr. Peter Hammond from South AfricaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07927752700053651680noreply@blogger.com